Happy to help. It was really Village Idiot's idea (now there's a misnomer!). It was just dumb luck that we have a Catholic college here and the ladies working in the library chose to be helpful and accommodating. Can you imagine the response if some stranger called the WT looking for a copy of an old Golden Age article?
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Those who have not defiled themselves with women
by Doug Mason ini am seeking a copy of this article:.
those who have not defiled themselves with women: revelation 14:4 and the book of enoch, daniel carl olson, catholic biblical quarterly, 59.3, 1997, pages 492-510, issn: 0008-7912.
if someone is able to locate a copy, you will find my email address at:.
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Those who have not defiled themselves with women
by Doug Mason ini am seeking a copy of this article:.
those who have not defiled themselves with women: revelation 14:4 and the book of enoch, daniel carl olson, catholic biblical quarterly, 59.3, 1997, pages 492-510, issn: 0008-7912.
if someone is able to locate a copy, you will find my email address at:.
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Doug, I may be able to save you a trip. Saint Anselm College is located here in Manchester, NH, USA. I called the college library this morning, and they have this article available as a PDF scan. They said they were not allowed to send it via email, but that I was welcome to come over and download it to my computer while connected as a guest on their network. They were very pleasant to work with and the download worked without a hitch.
I will check the website you mentioned for your email address. You should have it shortly.
Take care,
Radar
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Send money to KH in lieu of flowers.
by Jack Miller in"in lieu of flowers send money to the kingdom hall"..... wow.... this young woman's jw servant husband was caught cheating on her again with another jw "sister", but when she told her husband she wanted to forgive him again and continue with her marriage, he told her he didn't want that.
he wanted her to simply move on with her life.here is how she moved on: she put on her wedding dress, got into her car in the garage and started it.
do you think finding her this way spoke louder than any suicide note?
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This is so sad it's beyond words. If she could have gotten the help and support she needed, maybe she could have "moved on" with her life and found someone worthy of her. I guess we never truly know what's going on in a person's mind. It's so hard to tell when someone is nearing the breaking point.
You can't directly blame the Society for this tragedy, but I have no doubt that years and years of being made to feel "you're not doing enough" and "you'll never be good enough" took their toll, and her marital situation was just the final straw. The Society's policy of always demanding more and more because the big J is never satisfied with your efforts is enough to wear anyone down. If a person already feels crushed by the Society's ever heavier load of guilt, it's easy to see how one more blow to their psyche can spell disaster. Unfortunately, this is not a particularly rare occurrence.
I wonder whose idea it was to solicit contributions to the KH in lieu of flowers. What a waste! You know it'll wind up going to the Society in one way or another. I realize flowers die quickly, but their beauty may have been of some comfort to her family, especially if they knew which ones she especially liked.
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2015/1/13/BOE!--Technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives!
by Atlantis in(from the source).
2015 january 13, boe.. .. re: technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives.
.. click the link by the little blue arrow and nothing else.. .. https://www.sendspace.com/file/0g0mr0.
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Thanks, Petra!
Did anyone here watch that test video yesterday? What was in it?
Just one nit-picking item: The Society prides itself on flawless writing with no typos and no errors in spelling, punctuation, grammar, etc. The letter refers to Apple's Mac operating system as "Apple Max." Tee hee!
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Did you skip the meeting to watch the superbowl ?
by av8orntexas ini know we must have alot ofpeople on here huge football fans like myself.
born and raised in boston, i am a huge sports fan, and of course patriots fan.
so anyone here go to another meeting, makeup some bs excuse, illness, flat out miss the meeting or anything else to watch game if your meeting happened to go from the 9am to the 3pm in january ?.
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Personally, I'd miss a meeting just to celebrate free air. Go ahead, breath all you want!
Actually, I haven't been to a meeting in over 14 years, and will never go to another. Ok, I'll make an exception for a funeral or two, but that's it. Regardless, and thanks to Simon and this site, I'm more informed and up-to-date on current JW goings-on and beliefs du jour than most any of my JW relatives. Not only can they not explain or defend all the New Light™, they are not really up on all the latest changes. They don't even know what they're supposed to be ready to die for. If I happen to mention any of the new stuff, they are immediately suspicious that I might be putting out "apostate lies," when that very thing was in the Watchtower several issues back. Go figure...
Anyway, back to the Super Bowl. I thought this particular one was great. It was exciting right down to the very last minute. I live in NH, so of course I'm a Patriots fan. Go Pats! I thought we had lost, and was disappointed and resigned to accept this when the two minute warning came. Then they pulled it out of the fire! Man, what a turn-around!
Once again, it proves the old maxim that any team can beat any other team on a given day. And that "It ain't over till it's over!" I'd much rather watch my team lose a very close game where the outcome is unknowable till the very end than one where my team totally blows out the other. What's the fun in that?
Both teams in this Super Bowl can be proud of their performance. It could easily have gone either way. And that's what made this Super Bowl so dang exciting.
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Have JW relatives disinherited you? (especially Canadian)
by berrygerry ininteresting court case whereby the entire will was declared void because the father was racist.. would that not also apply to jw's who disinherit their non-jw family?.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/29/judge-rejects-ontario-mans-racist-will-that-disinherited-daughter-for-having-bastard-white-son/.
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3rdgen: I totally agree that it is unloving, unfair, and bigoted to disinherit family members simply because they don't share the same religious beliefs. My point was that it should not be illegal to do so. To let the law step in and say what a person who is of sound mind can and cannot do with their money is a patently bad idea.
That said, older people can be easy targets if they are no longer of sound mind or are so dependent on others that they dare not resist any "suggestion" as to whom they should give or leave their money to. Courts properly can and should review those cases to decide if there has been any undue influence or coercion.
I think the Society is definitely encouraging an alienation of affection of family members by their shunning, almost "no contact," policies. They even discourage minimal contact, such as email.
I do not know this as a fact, but I have good reason to believe that the Society has certain representatives whose job it is to visit older, infirm ones to encourage them to leave their money to the Society instead of to "worldly" relatives who would just use the money for selfish, maybe immoral, purposes. If this could be proven in a particular case, that would be a time for the Court to step in.
I know it's unfair and hurtful for people to be disinherited because of someone's bigoted and self-righteous opinions of their beliefs or non-beliefs. But as long as they are of sound mind and not under undue influence when they make those decisions, I wouldn't want the law to interfere. Would you want the law to tell you who you can or cannot leave your money to?
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Have JW relatives disinherited you? (especially Canadian)
by berrygerry ininteresting court case whereby the entire will was declared void because the father was racist.. would that not also apply to jw's who disinherit their non-jw family?.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/29/judge-rejects-ontario-mans-racist-will-that-disinherited-daughter-for-having-bastard-white-son/.
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However well-meaning that judge was, I think it sets a dangerous precedent. It could be a slippery slope indeed if we start allowing the courts to decide who a person in their right mind can or cannot leave their money to.
Before anybody accuses me of being racist, let me say that while I am white, I actually do have the proverbial "black friends." In fact, I have a black sister-in-law and a black nephew (by marriage) and several mixed race nieces and nephews. They are treated by all exactly as any other member of the family, as they should be.
My problem with this ruling is that the court is poking its nose in where it has no business. As long as the deceased was in their right mind and not under undue influence when their will was made, it should be honored regardless of how odious their intentions or motivations are to others. If some court can decide that a particular individual or group doesn't deserve what someone else wants to give them, it opens the door for the government to suppress any group it finds distasteful. Or as in this case, it can give a decedent's assets to someone they clearly did not want to leave anything to.
Public policy against discrimination is one thing. But to interfere with a person's last wishes because they held unpopular, politically incorrect, or yes, even racist views is quite another. It represents an unwarranted and dangerous intrusion in a person's private life. The only exception I feel would be justified would be if the bequest would go to a person or organization engaged in outright criminal activities or advocating actual violence against others.
To be clear: I think the person who made the will was a jerk and a racist and not worthy of any decent person's time or respect. But the principle of self-determination should outweigh the fact that his hateful attitude unjustly disinherits his daughter in this instance. I think the will should be upheld, but the other daughter should then share the inheritance with her sister out of a sense of fairness. That way, it would be a matter of free will and not a matter of judicial political correctness.
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The Opal Ring: a story based on the true life of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Julia Orwell init's finally finished!
it's a fictional story about an old jw.
it is very long, about 7000 words.. the opal ring.
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Julia Orwell: Thanks for posting this story. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I appreciate all the time and effort you must have put into it.
Oubliette: While I have no doubt you meant well with your editorial comments, may I suggest that next time you offer them in a PM? While you make some valid points and I truly believe you meant them only as constructive criticism, airing them for all to read was perhaps a bit indiscreet. I felt your comments took something away from the power of Julia's story, treating it more like a high school composition to be graded rather than a labor of love that she wanted to share with her friends.
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Arrangement to Accelerate Building Kingdom Halls
by Socrateswannabe ini can't believe i'm the first one to admit going to this meeting.
it was a 3 hour video stream from patterson.
the first bit was used to set up the need.
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Did anyone happen to record this streaming event? Even just audio. I would love to hear the whole thing from beginning to end.
If anyone has a recording to share, please PM me. I'd be happy to cover any expenses you may have in sending me a copy.